In this episode, leading international climate barrister Harj Narulla calls UN climate summits a "big, messy jamboree", and talks about why we need them, and why they aren't enough.

Harj - who represented the Solomon Islands in a landmark climate change case before the International Court of Justice - chats about:

• the importance of smaller groups of industries or governments that are prepared to be more ambitious. 
• how the international Fossil Fuel Non-Proliferation Treaty initiative is 'shifting the conversation'. 
•  key climate litigation trends to watch.
• why the International Court of Justice opinion didn't get pulled into the COP30 climate summit negotiating bubble.
• and why climate reparations is an important, emerging concept. 

Whether you're a climate summit newbie or a summit wonk, if you're interested in what it takes to achieve stronger international climate change action then there's plenty in this chat to enjoy!